Comments on: Aces cracked on my first hand of the session! http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/ Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:34:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Pocket Aces in a cash game – there are many blogs about them! : DadsPokerBlog http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1065 Pocket Aces in a cash game – there are many blogs about them! : DadsPokerBlog Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:19:19 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1065 [...] The following paragraph was from my original post titled “Aces cracked on my first hand of the session!” [...] [...] The following paragraph was from my original post titled “Aces cracked on my first hand of the session!” [...]

]]> By: Grundy http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1230 Grundy Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:54:33 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1230 I try not to go all-in preflop with any hand early in a tournament, but I'll sure call an all-in with rockets any time. I try not to go all-in preflop with any hand early in a tournament, but I'll sure call an all-in with rockets any time.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1227 stevebrogan Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:39:40 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1227 Jack, thanks for your comments. I doubt that I could play this hand any other way given what I knew about the opponent. It would have been nice had I flopped a set or a full house, but, I knew he was aggressive and could bet with air. He also plays with good cards so it does male it harder to know when you have the best of him. Jack, thanks for your comments. I doubt that I could play this hand any other way given what I knew about the opponent. It would have been nice had I flopped a set or a full house, but, I knew he was aggressive and could bet with air. He also plays with good cards so it does male it harder to know when you have the best of him.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1228 stevebrogan Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:36:18 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1228 Very good questions. Based on what I have seem him play, I put him on Ace little or even AK and with his large stack, he was bullying the table as well. I did not believe that he had two pair or trips or I would have folded. He called all my raises and did not re-raise so I saw no indication of strength on his part except perhaps a hope that he would hit his card on the river. I doubt that if I just checked, that he would not have bet to get me to fold so I kept up the pressure. He sucked out at the river. In fact becuase of his style of play, I was able to win back from him most of what I had lost in that hand. His style of playing risky hands actually worked in my favor overall. Very good questions. Based on what I have seem him play, I put him on Ace little or even AK and with his large stack, he was bullying the table as well. I did not believe that he had two pair or trips or I would have folded. He called all my raises and did not re-raise so I saw no indication of strength on his part except perhaps a hope that he would hit his card on the river. I doubt that if I just checked, that he would not have bet to get me to fold so I kept up the pressure. He sucked out at the river. In fact becuase of his style of play, I was able to win back from him most of what I had lost in that hand. His style of playing risky hands actually worked in my favor overall.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1229 stevebrogan Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:29:35 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1229 Thank you. I don't feel bad about what happened. That is poker. I tend not to go all in pre-flop even with aces but I won't be intimidated to fold when I think I have the best hand. I did not feel that that flop really hurt m but my stack size would not let the aggressor fold. Thank you. I don't feel bad about what happened. That is poker. I tend not to go all in pre-flop even with aces but I won't be intimidated to fold when I think I have the best hand. I did not feel that that flop really hurt m but my stack size would not let the aggressor fold.

]]> By: Grundy http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1056 Grundy Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:54:33 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1056 I try not to go all-in preflop with any hand early in a tournament, but I'll sure call an all-in with rockets any time. I try not to go all-in preflop with any hand early in a tournament, but I'll sure call an all-in with rockets any time.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1055 stevebrogan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:39:40 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1055 Jack, thanks for your comments. I doubt that I could play this hand any other way given what I knew about the opponent. It would have been nice had I flopped a set or a full house, but, I knew he was aggressive and could bet with air. He also plays with good cards so it does male it harder to know when you have the best of him. Jack, thanks for your comments. I doubt that I could play this hand any other way given what I knew about the opponent. It would have been nice had I flopped a set or a full house, but, I knew he was aggressive and could bet with air. He also plays with good cards so it does male it harder to know when you have the best of him.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1054 stevebrogan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:36:18 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1054 Very good questions. Based on what I have seem him play, I put him on Ace little or even AK and with his large stack, he was bullying the table as well. I did not believe that he had two pair or trips or I would have folded. He called all my raises and did not re-raise so I saw no indication of strength on his part except perhaps a hope that he would hit his card on the river. I doubt that if I just checked, that he would not have bet to get me to fold so I kept up the pressure. He sucked out at the river. In fact becuase of his style of play, I was able to win back from him most of what I had lost in that hand. His style of playing risky hands actually worked in my favor overall. Very good questions. Based on what I have seem him play, I put him on Ace little or even AK and with his large stack, he was bullying the table as well. I did not believe that he had two pair or trips or I would have folded. He called all my raises and did not re-raise so I saw no indication of strength on his part except perhaps a hope that he would hit his card on the river. I doubt that if I just checked, that he would not have bet to get me to fold so I kept up the pressure. He sucked out at the river. In fact becuase of his style of play, I was able to win back from him most of what I had lost in that hand. His style of playing risky hands actually worked in my favor overall.

]]> By: stevebrogan http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1053 stevebrogan Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:29:35 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1053 Thank you. I don't feel bad about what happened. That is poker. I tend not to go all in pre-flop even with aces but I won't be intimidated to fold when I think I have the best hand. I did not feel that that flop really hurt m but my stack size would not let the aggressor fold. Thank you. I don't feel bad about what happened. That is poker. I tend not to go all in pre-flop even with aces but I won't be intimidated to fold when I think I have the best hand. I did not feel that that flop really hurt m but my stack size would not let the aggressor fold.

]]> By: jack http://dadspokerblog.com/aces-cracked-on-my-first-hand-of-the-session/comment-page-1/#comment-1052 jack Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:42:07 +0000 http://dadspokerblog.com/?p=2572#comment-1052 If he has a read that tells him this particular player is crazy enough to raise/call a 3bet with A6 then float(?) the flop with bottom pair when it's obvious that the short stack player (steve in this case) intends to get his stack in by shoving the turn then obviously he played the hand correctly. <br><br>Also, the A6 guy doesn't really show too much strength at all by just calling the raise. Even if it did, by the time Steve is at the turn he's put so much money in that it would be ridiculous to do something like check fold the turn. And he can't bet fold because his whole stack is only a half pot bet. <br><br>So while it's worrying that the A6 villain may have hit set or 2 pair or something, part of buying in short is just the fact that you can't avoid getting stacked with AA on dry boards like this one. 60 big blinds isn't really that short, but it's really not deep or even a standard cash game stack online... the deeper you are the better you can get away from overpairs.. 2 pairs.. even sets if you feel you're beat. <br><br>Anyways, as for this: Also, if your flop bet would have left you with less than half the pot left on the river (aka you know you're going to go all in later on anyway), why not go all-in right there on the flop?<br><br>It definitely makes sense if you feel like your opponent will read it as a bluff.. but if you know that you're going to be able to shove the turn no matter what by betting 10 and you're confident that the guy has alot of air in his range you might as well bet 10. In the end I think Steve played the hand fine and just got unlucky. If he shoved all in on the flop (large overbet when compared to the pot size at the time) then maybe this guy wouldn't have committed his chips with bottom pair. Who knows... <br><br>(Not criticizing you btw, I'm just saying I don't think there's any other way to play it other than the way he did given stack sizes, position, and reads... ) If he has a read that tells him this particular player is crazy enough to raise/call a 3bet with A6 then float(?) the flop with bottom pair when it's obvious that the short stack player (steve in this case) intends to get his stack in by shoving the turn then obviously he played the hand correctly.

Also, the A6 guy doesn't really show too much strength at all by just calling the raise. Even if it did, by the time Steve is at the turn he's put so much money in that it would be ridiculous to do something like check fold the turn. And he can't bet fold because his whole stack is only a half pot bet.

So while it's worrying that the A6 villain may have hit set or 2 pair or something, part of buying in short is just the fact that you can't avoid getting stacked with AA on dry boards like this one. 60 big blinds isn't really that short, but it's really not deep or even a standard cash game stack online… the deeper you are the better you can get away from overpairs.. 2 pairs.. even sets if you feel you're beat.

Anyways, as for this: Also, if your flop bet would have left you with less than half the pot left on the river (aka you know you're going to go all in later on anyway), why not go all-in right there on the flop?

It definitely makes sense if you feel like your opponent will read it as a bluff.. but if you know that you're going to be able to shove the turn no matter what by betting 10 and you're confident that the guy has alot of air in his range you might as well bet 10. In the end I think Steve played the hand fine and just got unlucky. If he shoved all in on the flop (large overbet when compared to the pot size at the time) then maybe this guy wouldn't have committed his chips with bottom pair. Who knows…

(Not criticizing you btw, I'm just saying I don't think there's any other way to play it other than the way he did given stack sizes, position, and reads… )

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